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In December I was back in the Netherlands to facilitate the Liberating Structures Immersion Workshop after migrating to Germany the month before. Taking the opportunity, my old colleagues/friends Roel & Just invited me to record a podcast before we went to a meetup at Keytoe (awesome Dutch company living quite some teal and agile principles, without using any of the dogmatic jargon).

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